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Janet Vickers I think that the strategy must come from the people who can see how destructive the right wing policies are. Those oppressed by them will likely keep ... View > 05-May-11
Dave I think the problem is with the liberals, little and big L. This article is clearly slanted (not sure how it could be considered "straight") but then ... View > 06-May-11
Patrick Very interesting article and comments. In the aftermath of this election I find myself wondering if we can convince the centre and left parties (NDP, ... View > 07-May-11
Susanne Shaw Alas, today's Liberals aren't Left, contrary to what some writers here think. Liberals haven't been Left since Paul Sweatship Martin. Martin was a true ... View > 10-May-11


From: Janet Vickers - Posted: 05-May-11 - 13:40

I think that the strategy must come from the people who can see how destructive the right wing policies are. Those oppressed by them will likely keep standing behind them because to open their eyes fully will be too painful for them. For example, victims of domestic violence mostly resist the notion that the abuser is to blame.

Many thinking youth and young adults believe that elections and our current democracy is a theatre and that corporate interests are running the show with absolute power, holding media and government hostage to their demands.

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From: Dave - Posted: 06-May-11 - 08:55

I think the problem is with the liberals, little and big L. This article is clearly slanted (not sure how it could be considered "straight") but then again most liberals consider themselves centered between the left and right. The liberal party is not center people, it is left. Not as left as NDP (which is probably why they lost some votes). Recent liberal policies moved closer to the center but it is still left of it. The Harper government's financial stance rode out the global recession in a stellar manner compared to many other G20 nations and finance does dictate a lot of people's voting strategy. The liberals failed to provide a leader, failed to provide a platform beyond scare tactics "what will he do?". The NDP however had a real leader and reaped the rewards. They may be somewhat over their heads initially with rookie MPs but I'm sure they'll come through. As for those who didn't vote....Do you really think the majority of them are liberal? Would their break down be different than those who did vote? The left has to unite and the liberals have to get over themselves and the presumption that it is their right to rule.

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From: Patrick - Posted: 07-May-11 - 16:19

Very interesting article and comments. In the aftermath of this election I find myself wondering if we can convince the centre and left parties (NDP, Green, Liberal, BQ) to work together - even for just a signle election.... By either:

(A) forming some sort of coalition party in which members of the competing left and centre parties vote in a primary to elect the candidate for that specific riding that best represents the centre and left vote and then that single candidate runs against Harper and the conservatives in the next election.

or (B) Finding some way of fairly selecting ridings for each of the parties in which candidates will be allowed to run unapposed by other progressive cadidates. The competing parties could then throw their support behind that specific candidate in that riding in exchange for the same courtesey in other ridings where their candidate is being unopposed by other progressive candidates.

If we can even do this for a single election, and have the parties agree to make electoral reform the first (or a top) priority of the successful progressive coalition, then future elections would not necessarily have to have the same level of progressive teamwork. If electoral reform were passed using such a strategy, then we as Canadian voters could actually just vote for what we believe in - as opposed to the currents system in which we often must strategically vote against what we dislike - without fearing giving unfair and unrepresentative majority governments to parties like the Conservatives.

Is this just pie in the sky optimism, or does anyone think that this could happen?

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From: Susanne Shaw - Posted: 10-May-11 - 09:31

Alas, today's Liberals aren't Left, contrary to what some writers here think. Liberals haven't been Left since Paul Sweatship Martin. Martin was a true fascist and stole 50 million plus from the unemployed. He cut Medicare funding. He gave govvie jobs to his friends. Iggy only promised to extend Medicare--not return the stolen funds to the unemployed. Iggy is not Left; not even quite centrist. Fortunately, the NDP has moved itself off the centrist line at last. Still, it has a long way to go to be considered Left. Duceppe was more Left, but his scope was too regional. The Greens are hopeless, as they still don't understand how Carbon Taxes work--that the costs ALWAYS get passed down the line to those who can least afford to pay. The Greens are true Conservatives. The present Conservatives are actually Reform-Alliance Evangelists in the worst sense of the words. Neither Greens or the present Cons have ever grasped what equality means. So they don't get the social justice groups' votes or single moms' votes. If NDP leaders would only do what their membership wants and adopt Sustainable BC ideas, then they would take the votes away from the Greens. But the Union supporters of the NDP haven't quite wrapped their stale heads around sustainability, for too many of them have been brainwashed by Economics 100 and BNN. They believe in the Tooth Fairy and "economic growth" on a finite planet, just like their corporate bosses. Unions won't matter soon, for they are self-destructing with their lack of willingness to fight for justice and equality, or to educate themselves in new progressive ideas, or to change their leaders often enough to prevent stagnation and power entrenchment at the top. Nice people, but just not Left enough anymore. Just too damn gullible. That 40% of the people didn't vote at all, shows how big is our job to educate the brainwashed--esp. with all the mainstream media being in the pockets of multi-national corporations (Monsanto, Cargill, Big Oil, Big Mines, Big Ships, Pharmaceuticals, Agribiz, WalMart, Manulife, etc..) It doesn't help when we don't assimilate immigrants, or reach out to the First Nations already here. We on the True Left are missing in action and organization. And this, despite the availability of social media!

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